The Powerful Man Show

Achieve a Work-Life Balance [Revisit]

Episode #44

Are you finding yourself out of balance when it comes to work and life? Are relationships suffering because you spend too long on your business or vice versa?

You may be prioritizing the wrong things and damaging your chances of a balanced lifestyle.

A work-life balance is such a common struggle and it can seem impossible to master. The truth is that it’s not. It all starts with understanding it better and on this episode, Tim & Doug share their thoughts on how by understanding your life and roles better you can lead yourself to a life where you work and play as much as you desire.

Doug and Tim have spent years improving their lifestyles so that they can live the life that they want. This has taken years of practice, learning, and struggling. In this episode, they share invaluable tips, hacks and practical exercises you can use now to start improving your work-life balance.

What you will discover in this episode:

  • The 8 categories of your life.
  • How to identify your roles in life.
  • How to fit time for everything in your calendar.
  • The biggest drainers and fillers in your life and how to identify them.
  • How to understand your energy and what it tells you.
  • The most common misconceptions when figuring out a work-life balance.
  • The role fear plays in driving your behavior.
  • How the stories we tell ourselves and can damage your work life balance
  • How to do more work more in less time with 2 simple questions.

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Episode Transcript

Doug Holt  0:00  

I found to Tim that I can get 80% plus of the results I wanted out of my workday with just those two hours. That was a paradigm shift for me. We talked about work-life balance, which frees up a lot of time.

Tim Matthews  0:18  

Welcome to another episode of The Powerful Man show. I am Tim Matthews. You are with the one and only. Mr. Doug Holt. How are you, Doug?

Doug Holt  0:29 

Tim, I’m doing fantastic, man. How are you doing?

Tim Matthews  0:33  

Very, very well, very well, indeed. So I’m going to dive straight into this. Because this is something that I struggled with this for a long time, I like to think that I have improved on this topic. I don’t think there’s any kind of completion. But I’m interested to hear your take on it. Because you’re a man that lives with a great deal of flexibility and freedom. I don’t think I’ve ever asked you this question. Just to keep on a bit of a cliffhanger as to what it is. It’s also something that is one of the main problems for the men that we work with we have as we have the Facebook group activation method. One of the questions when the men’s when the men apply to become a member is what is the biggest problem they are struggling with right now. I would say this question I’m about to ask you, is the exact response or at least 90% of the men report their problem? And that is, how do you achieve a work-life balance?

Doug Holt  1:36  

All right, so how many days do we have for this podcast? No, it can be done simply, right? It’s a quest for a lot of people rather than necessarily an achievement. People look at my lifestyle and see it as a work-life balance that I work on it. I make sure it’s a priority. To give credit where credit is due, Tim, you’re the one that at one point called me out and said, hey, look, send me a screenshot of your calendar. Right. That was when I started to go back into hustle mode, and I started a new business. I was working on getting this up. If I recall correctly, you had looked at me about a year ago, and he said, hey, look, you’re grinding again, show me your calendar. I was like, oh, crap. So that’s one thing. What we teach you, The Powerful Man, is the use of the coil, which you also came up with? What I do is I look at two things. I look at roles in my life, like what roles do I play business owner, husband, father, son, and the roles that I’m playing in my life? And how important are those roles to me? Now, I’ll come back to that in a minute. Because of the roles you play, and important those roles must be, then I look at categories in my life. Now, we all have different categories., and we teach them slightly differently over time. But I look at it as a holistic area of my life because I know at one point running multiple businesses, playing competitive sports, and just being an all-around social person, things can get out of balance quickly. They can shift from just work to just play, and how do you find that balance where your work is going well, but your health is going down? That’s a  common one for business people. But vice versa, for a lot of other people. It could be, hey, their bodies banging, and everything else is going well. But their work is failing or relationships. 

So the way that I do it, Tim, is I categorize it., mind-body, soul relationships, business, then I’ll see is fun, wealth and growth. So those are my eight categories. That works for me. When I when you and I coach people, we use different methodologies depending on the person, and we use The Powerful Man methodology. Then we evolve that, depending on if the people graduate that program and get more in-depth into the structure. So then what I’m going to do, Tim, is I’m going to list those out, as well as my roles. I’m going to make sure that they fit into my calendar. So something, for example, when I sent you my calendar, I remember at one point I’m complaining that I’m gaining weight, right here I am I’ve got 18 degrees and fitness, right 18 degrees and certifications. Here I am gaining weight and getting sloth-like to me, right so somebody else, maybe not, but to me, I’m getting there. So when you said, hey, Doug, send me a screenshot of your calendar. That’s when I went, oh crap. Because what I noticed right away is I had deleted my workouts from my calendar. So I could add more things in more business things in, and that’s how you can get out of balance very quickly. It’s a slippery slope that happens very fast. So you can use your listing out these categories and what you want in these categories. What’s important for you to have is that they don’t have to be tasks, but they could just be even time. Right? So it could be, it could be in your body, your health, right you, are you setting aside time in your calendar. If Tim, if Tim calls you up and says, hey, send me your calendar, send me a screenshot., I love that adage, show me your calendar, and I’ll show you your priorities. Right, we talked about bank account as well. But show me your calendar, and I’ll show you your priorities. 

Finding yourself out of balance is because you have to prioritize other things over a balanced lifestyle. You have something that’s out of balance, and it’s out of balance, most likely in your calendar. You can look at that pretty quickly. Another example of something that I do is I, and this may sound robotic, Tim, but I calendar out relationship time, connection time with my wife and my son, I calendar it out. Now I can move and drop and move that around the time. Instead of 8 am, it becomes noon or becomes 6 pm. That’s okay. But I do not delete that time out of my calendar, and there’s always that connection time. There’s time I set for relationships, and I call it to ping P.I.N.G; that’s just my terminology. But during that time, I’m reaching out to old and new friends. So each day, I have that. So I know in relationships in relationships, which I’ve struggled with in the past, because running multiple businesses something you think something has to give, that’s what everybody used to tell you. If you in the lookup everybody’s done this, you put your head down, you grind it out, and you’re supposed to work. Then a year or two later, you look up; you’re like, what are my friends? Where are these people? They don’t know me anymore. So I’ve made a conscious decision to make sure that I check in with them and make sure that they’re okay., especially we look at things like Anthony Bourdain, committing suicide, or kate spade. Those are just celebrities that have come up in the news recently. As we’re recording this, we think about all these other people that we know might be going through a hard time. I could tell you how bad I would feel if I know that was my selfishness just sitting by but not just reaching out to them to see how they’re doing would affect me. So that’s, that’s a real quick and dirty kind of 10 minute or whatever, five minutes, wherever the how long that was, the idea of how I start doing it, is to show me your calendar, and I’ll show your priorities, and how do you achieve balance is by looking at all those sections, and wherever those sections are to you and those roles in your life and are those in your calendar.

Tim Matthews  7:31  

I love that. I love that. I’m a big, big, big believer in the calendar, obviously, hence why I asked you. It’s so simple, isn’t it so, so simple. But it’s also something that is overlooked when a lot of the men that come into The Activation Method, one of the reasons why they resist the calendar is because they want to resist the structure. But at the same time, like you and I both know, that’s key. But here’s something that I think is such an amazing facet to include in this conversation. So your priorities, you put them in the calendar, you have your relationship time. Achieving a work-life balance, in my opinion, often goes towards feeling fulfilled. The real question is, how do I feel fulfilled? And happy? Isn’t it? That’s kind of like the real question. So how do you then make sure that those things in your calendar don’t always become something to do? And sometimes as something to be? 

Doug Holt  8:40  

Great question. Again, we could go on for hours about these to do a deep dive, and I’m going to try to condense it as quickly as I can. So you said something very poignant that I think people should realize, and this is something again that I struggled with. If you’ve listened to this show for any length of time, you’re going to hear me say that a lot. Because I struggled with a lot, I was stoic, kind of more on the very much the alpha side, like, I’m just going to go through and push through anything. I can still call upon that, but with calendars. With schedules, I saw that as an imposition on my freedom structure. I’m an entrepreneur, and I’m an adventurer; I don’t want structure. But what I found is within that structure creates freedom creates pleasure. It allows me to play with both masculine and feminine energy simultaneously with the creative energy in the structure. So what I found is when I’m calendaring those things out that I want to do that I desire to do, that’s when it doesn’t become just a thing to do. Now, are there times when I look at my calendar? I’m like, ah, I don’t want to reach out to 10 people today. I just don’t want to do it. I’m tired. My son, who’s one year old, was up all night like he was the other night, and, yeah, those come up. Absolutely. But I can tell you what the outcome is? It’s the outcome that I’m desiring. We follow that straightforward methodology. We haven’t talked about it in this show. But Tim, I know you’re, you’re very familiar with that. First, you be the person, then you do the action, then you get the result. So many people want to get the result, then they’re like, yeah, when I get the result, when I get paid more, then I’ll have x, y, and z, a new car, then I can be the man or whatever it is, that’s not the way it works. It’s b, be the man first, do the work and have the car. So just using that as an example, but it also goes in with your calendar, what you’re doing. Be that person. Be that person that reaches out, and I know that when I’m tired, and I don’t want to do this show or record or whatever it may be. 

But I know that serves my more excellent why my greater purpose that pulls me into it. Energetically over time, you’ll be able to figure out what drainers are? And what are fillers? And what I mean by that are? Where are those things that are draining you of energy? And what are those things that are filling you up? If you find that connecting with your partner is draining you, well, that’s a red flag. That’s a major red flag. Now, if it doesn’t want, all right, but note it; if it doesn’t repeat, you want to watch it. So another example, for someone listening to this in the area of relationships, my idea of reaching out to 10 people a day might just sound like, whoa, I just have no interest in that at all. If they do it, and they say I’m going to do it, because Doug and Tim recommended it or Doug recommended, I won’t put it on your plate, Tim. But which I’m not, by the way, then they do it. So you do it for a week. You just notice after the end of every session that you’re reaching out to old friends, and it just drains you just sucks you dry. That’s a drainer that’s not something you should be doing that is not filling your cup, that is not filling you up, energetically, you will just know, you’ll be able to figure that out right away. When we do these shows, I tell it says every time I wish we record earlier, and here are conversations because there’s such a depth that most people don’t have. But, I share things like I haven’t slept in a day because my son was up, but when I get on the show and talk to you, my energy goes through the roof. I love it. I walk away from these recordings just filled to the rim. I have energy all the rest of the day. Well, that’s a sign that this is something I should be doing more of, not less. Conversely, suppose I started doing bookkeeping, Tim. In that case, if I started doing my bookkeeping, I’d be sleeping here on the ground right now I just wouldn’t even be able to make it through., again, that’s a sign of something that I get to either change the way I do it or move forward on to something else.

Tim Matthews  12:54  

Wow, it’s such a great point. Such a great point. I think one of the key things to add there and is flexibility., one of the things that we talk about a lot in The Activation Method is being focused on the what, on the way, and flowing with the how I know that one of the mistakes that I used to make, and a common mistake of a lot of the men that we work with, is they get married to the house. They get married to doing what they’ve said they’re going to do because if they don’t follow through with what they said, they’re going to follow through with, then they feel like a failure. But things change what, if you have mapped out an entire strategy that’s going to go on for, I don’t know, a few months, your things may change. So it’s about being able to pivot. Another thing that feeds into this, in my opinion, is the pace of life that you live with. Because if you live in too fast and too hard, then it’s very difficult for you to be able to have space in your life to reflect and realize that, oh, this doesn’t feel quite right. So I’m going to pivot and change direction and just been able to have that flexibility with myself without beating myself up. Being focused on the what on the why’s, he still gets you to achieve the outcome that you desire? That’s been a game-changer for me. No, it’s been such a game-changer for many of them we work with because it instantly relieves the pressure. 

One of the things that causes a lot of stress for them is their plants become so full of things that used to be a yes. Then our know yeah, well to be out old definitions of what it means to be a man and be successful persevere and hustle and grind that, out of pride that doesn’t want just to surrender and say what, that thing over there is a drainer it’s no longer a filler. So I’m going to get rid of that I’m going to either eliminate, automate, or delegate was one of the things we talked about as well, and yeah, I think it’s such a key element to be able to be mindful of the pace of life that you live with. Suppose you are living too fast, without a schedule rushing from one thing to another without having any actual time segments infer certain things with an unaware of the outcome you wanted to get. In that case, you get lost in the how, and everything becomes something to do. While everything is something to do, you live it in your head. It’s very difficult, damn near impossible for you to feel anything apart from typically fear, to be honest. As I said, how to achieve work-life balance, the real question, in my opinion, is, how do I experience fulfillment and happiness? Which comes from achieving in all areas of my life. Part of that is that part of it is down to the scheduling and tactics and reviewing the actual tasks you’re doing in your day. The other side of it, in my opinion, is looking at the energy in which you are operating from the space that you’re coming from. Because if you just try to one without the other, it’ll just never work.

Doug Holt  16:25  

You’re 100% correct. You stole the thing I was going to add on, right there is? Dang, it. Yeah, we it’s I’ve learned as I’ve gotten older and that energy flow is everything there are certain things I use the word fill you up, but you’re 100% correct, is your energy, how your energy is going to, is going to tell you what that means to you. Now, there there are many people who want to say that they want a lot of great friendships, right. But when they hang out with their friends, or they come back from a guy’s trip, or, or whatever it may be, they’re drained. That’s a sign, and you don’t remember, we’re always changing., Tim, you and I, and people listening, we’re not the same people. We were ten years ago, a week ago, if we’re growing. Suppose you’re even listening to just this show and doing those things we’re putting forth. In that case, you are a new person; you’re different., and you were talking, you and I were talking about this offline to some of the men are your significant others changed since you’ve married them, or since you started dating them, they’re different the things that you probably or may have thought they’re a bit had opinions about, whether it be politics, religion, relationships, what you do and how you act, they change and evolve as well. So do we. So sticking to that calendar and keep adding on it, you don’t have to do that to achieve a work-life balance; start with the outcomes first. Again, I would say start with the outcomes in those categories. So you have a balance, unbalanced, you might be different. 

Tim is training for a triathlon at the moment, and he will be competing at a very high level. So his balance, so to speak, in the area of health, he’s going to be putting in more time than, say, an executive who is in great shape who just wants to maintain, and that’s okay. They don’t all have to be equal pieces of a pie. I think that’s a common mistake that people think of, like, oh if I need balance, and so I got ten things to work all these things, relationships, wealth, these ten areas, and each of them gets 10%. No, that’s not balanced. That’s not what we’re talking about here. We’re talking about his balance and the terms that you are adding enough to fill you up and those that you care about, of course, but fill your cup up enough that you’re not just retreating to one area that you feel secure in. Often, let’s just call it out. It’s business. Right? For most of us high achieving men especially, and women listening to these high achievers, we tend to turn to business often, especially men, because it’s an area we get signed in. We also can get connections in that area. It’s an area we compete in, and we do it out of fear. Frankly, there’s a lot of fear of scarcity, and we turn to business to try to fill that void. So that’s another thing to consider. If I look at your calendar and see that you’re getting up at 6 am DB first into the work, and you’re not in the office, you’re not leaving till 6 pm every day. There’s a problem. I run six companies, and I don’t work nearly as much as I used to when I only own one because there are efficiencies in those systems. There’s a mindset that gets to play in there. I think often, and people miss that.

Tim Matthews 19:50  

Amazing. Amazing.

Doug Holt  19:55  

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Tim Matthews  20:41  

It shows you were talking that there was something that was coming to me. Being strong means being able to tolerate less pain. What I mean by that is, I was speaking to one of the guys in an inner circle about a couple of hours ago before the show, and we were just talking. He was laughing about easy things will be coming to him. He was laughing because he was chewing. It was realizing the importance of operating the zone fillers, trainers and then having everybody within his organization operate in their zone. When he chooses to operate in his zone, and only dues do what fills him up. Not only is that the best thing for the company and gives the best results, but it also helps him to achieve more of a work-life balance. It feels so easy. One of the things when you start to operate in that way, a couple of things happen. One is it’s a massive, massive act of self-love because you’re putting your needs first. You are doing it ethically for the good of the organization, for the good of yourself for the good of your relationships. So from an egotistical perspective, and it flies in the face of what we’ve been taught to believe in a law which used to take pride in the struggle. 

The more pain you can tolerate, the more worthy the victory is bothered than happens when you arrive at the destination beaten, battered, and bruised. We both know we speak about this a lot. There’s one destination, two journeys, the other, the other path to that is to arrive with a smile on your face., when you’re able to lower your pain threshold or become less tolerant to the amount of pain you have in your life. That means that you’ve been in this process of getting rid of those drainers more and more and more and more, and the more you get rid of them. The more you conversely have the fillers, the more addictive it becomes. As a result of that, the less pain you then can tolerate. One of the exact things he was saying is, wow, I cannot believe how been telling myself these stories of how it was tough to struggle on my own and good sides bear the burden of success. I must work hard for something. This guy who worked 70 hours a week in various restaurant chains got a hotel that’s one of its other businesses isn’t a  successful guy with pioneer figures in his community. Yeah, even him having the awareness and the realization that wow, don’t have to work this hard at all care. It’s okay for it to be easy. That’s kind of the mindset that he’s retraining himself with. Yeah, in terms of achieving work-life balance is reaping the rewards in all areas of his life. 

Doug Holt  24:00  

That’s beautiful., and so Tim, with that, you’re talking about not tolerating pain as much. Do you think that when we talk about the work-life balance ratio, and obviously, people need to figure out what that means for them? That’s a whole other conversation. But do you think that people dive like we’re talking about men here? Let’s just talk about men that men dive into tolerating more pain due to that not having a work-life balance, or do you think that they don’t have a work-life balance. Therefore, they accept more pain? The chicken or the egg question?

Tim Matthews  24:38  

So I think they love the men that I have worked with, they have, they have used for quite a while ago, and they have become the man that they are today by default., it’s been a very unconscious decision for them to be experiencing the life that they have currently got. What I mean by that is yes, they’re consciously have been driven to achieve. But what they don’t realize is they’ve been driven to achieve all costs to prove their worth as a man. Part of that means then tolerating pain and doing whatever it takes and persevering and pushing and grinding and hustling and forcing and smashing out obstacles and taking pride in the struggle, all those things. I don’t believe they’ve ever had a great deal of balance in their life ever since starting in work, and as a result, well, they’ve; as a result, a lot of fear that’s been driving their behavior has meant that they have put their needs last, they’re not used to putting their needs first, you’re not used to being happy they’ve just been taught to suppress emotion and suppress the feeling. Many feelings have been taught to suppress to start with typically heavier ones like sadness, anger, shame, guilt, all those things. But if you block in those, you’re going to block happiness and excitement and all the light ones too. So chicken in the egg? Yeah, I think many of them don’t even consider work-life balance until it becomes a real pain in their life. At which point, they just don’t. They’re stuck out on that hamster wheel of hustle, afraid to get off it? Because does that mean I’m going to lose everything? Does that mean that shit to not one my business to that many question marks that for them out there? But ultimately, and this is a little bit of a segue, but ultimately, a lot of the things in my opinion that you get to become aware of and work on to achieve a work-life balance are your self-love. Because if you don’t have that self-love, if you don’t prioritize your needs first, how will you ever get that work-life balance?

Doug Holt  27:08  

So true? Yeah, no. The journey that all of us get to go on more often, right, is self-love. Coming in there, and mate,  making sure that we’re taking care of ourselves. So one of the things that you mentioned, that word came to mind, I’m thinking of if I’m a man listening to this. Now, I’m going to associate with a business owner or an executive, or somebody at a high management level. I’m listening to this, and I’m thinking, okay, this is great; I got my categories and listing this out. I agree with everything Tim says, but I got a lot of work to do. I’m just got a, I got a lot of work to do, like every day and, and I know, the man that you’re speaking of, and in similar conversation earlier, of course, will mention his name, but I’ve got a lot to do. There’s a lot that has to be done that there’s bookkeeping. I have to look at the managers; I got this, this, this. So one thing I was thinking of as a takeaway that some of these men can do right now, right after this recording, while I’m referring this to their friends, of course, perhaps for this recording, is. You and I have spoken about this, and I got this from somebody else’s. What would happen if you got injured? This happens all the time. It’s happened to me, Tim, where I was, I was somewhere I was at a pool, someone thought it’d be funny to push me in the pool, but flipped me over, and I smacked my head cracked my skull open. I was out. I couldn’t work 40 hours a week or whatever, and I can only do a couple of hours a week getting in while I was recovering; it was a life or death situation for me. But that came out of this question of what if I said that something would happen to you. Tim, we can pose this to you and me back and forth. But what if you could only work two hours a day? That was it, and you’re limited., things happen in life, guys. It’s unfortunate, but we all know people it’s happened to, and I’m sure we can all think of somebody. It’s the unfortunate part, and we bury that in the bottom of our consciousness because we don’t want to think about it. But what if you could only work two hours a day? 

What would you do? What are the items you would do to significantly move the needle into your business or what you’re doing? And to maintain your job to maintain the performance that’s going on two hours a day? What would you do? Now? Now, once you’ve written that out and be serious about it once you’ve written that out, these are the things to do. This was a hard exercise for me to do. When I first did it, gosh, what, 15 years ago, maybe at this point, or maybe not quite as long? And writing this out of what are those things that I would do? And then looking at it? And then, of course, the next question, which I know you’re laughing at, and Tim and I can see each other via video right now. So it’s kind of funny, is why aren’t you doing those? Where are the first two hours of your day? Right? If you’re like me, and you list these out, you only have two hours. I’m kind of already gave you the punch line, which is harder to do. But you’ve listed these things out, and you only have two hours, if you take this exercise seriously, like, like, you’re not going to get that third hour, you got two what I found, Tim was, I could get kind of the Pareto principle as I can get 80% plus of the results I wanted, out of my workday, was just those two hours. Some of that was delegating. Some of that was training staff. But most of the things that  I was doing that were significant to the business outcomes that I wanted only took a few hours for me to do. That was a paradigm shift for me, and we talked about work-life balance, which frees up a lot of time. You can still work and still grow your business if you choose to. But if your excuse is you don’t have the time. That’s just bullshit. I’m going to call that out right now.

Tim Matthews  31:06  

And then it becomes a question of fuck, what do I do with all this time? I’ve got three. 

Doug Holt  31:12  

And now there’s

Tim Matthews  31:14  

No, because, wow. Retraining yourself to live a different pace of life, or started the business? Whatever it is, but yeah, it’s amazing. It’s such an amazing question. I’ve not heard that for such a long time. I’m glad, Doug, I’m glad that I could answer it. When you asked when you’re asking. I knew the answer. Then I didn’t think, well, why would I work? But

Doug Holt  31:47  

Well, you and I call it your zone of genius. That’s what you and I are talking back and forth. It’s, it’s hey, I’m setting aside time to be in my zone of genius. But it’s a similar idea you’ve transcended that level. Now it’s just a different label for you to do. Yeah. Then after that, two hours, it becomes play in your business. Not that that two hours doesn’t play, because it can be right. But the rest of the day should you choose to keep working, and it can be played, it can be creative play as if this, the great thing about me having a one-year-old son is that’s his life, eat, sleep, play. Now I can take that same attitude to my business life, take it to my relationships, take a lot of vacations, take a lot of trips with my family, and do things like that. But if I can do that, but now I can also play in my business. So if I choose to work six 8, 12 hour days, and I get that two hours are done, the rest is play for me. That’s amazing.

Tim Matthews  32:55  

Wow. Wow. Wowi never knew that the question would go all these different directions. There have been so many nuggets, so many nuggets from a while love about this particular episode are we’ve spoken very much about the internal and external other way, tools, tips, practical techniques, and you can use and then also some of the internal aspects that you may be driving up ahead of you that you may not have realized or considered, and are also key. So I’m glad you asked the question. I mean, I’ve personally taken a lot away from this conversation. So thank you very much. 

Doug Holt  33:30  

Yeah, thank you. I mean, I always take a lot from our conversations. Your presence alone always leaves me a better man, and I appreciate you. But what I something else, and I would like to ask the people listening to this to reach out to us, let us know what you get from these conversations. Let us know what you can add as well. I’ll speak for him that we’re always learning, always growing. We’re on that path. We have been for a very long time. So I want to know. I encourage you to reach out. Don’t be shy. Reach out. Let us know what you got from this talk this conversation. If there’s something you’d like to add, let us know.

Tim Matthews  34:07  

Yeah, for sure. Just a gentle reminder as well. You might want to head over to The Activation Method, the Facebook group. That’s where Doug and I are very active. We’ve got a private community there of business owners business people. We share a lot of trends there every week. So if you want to become more involved with Doug and I and The Powerful Man, please head over to there and check it out. Yeah, it’s an absolute honor to deliver these shows to you guys every week.

Doug Holt  34:35  

Absolutely. Absolutely. Well, Tim, thank you so much. Again, I just can’t emphasize enough how much I appreciate these conversations. Likewise, alright everyone, have a fantastic week, and we’ll see you again soon.

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